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Date:  Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:02:38 +0000
From:  "Alexandre Abric" <alexabric (at mark) hotmail.com>
Subject:  [coba-e:01688] Re: Ruby project license
To:  coba-e (at mark) bluequartz.org
Message-Id:  <BAY20-F34CCDFA08BE654B2D238A2A4AD0 (at mark) phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To:  <041215091236.M0429137 (at mark) mfc.bakkers.gr.jp>
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Alexandre

>From: Yutaka Yasuda <yasuda (at mark) mfc.bakkers.gr.jp>
>Reply-To: coba-e (at mark) bluequartz.org
>To: coba-e (at mark) bluequartz.org
>Subject: [coba-e:01685] Re: Ruby project license
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:12:36 +0900
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>There are a few BlueQuartz/Cobalt clone based system providing
>companies, so I think it is better to accept commercial information
>from business side. Thanks for your information.
>
>And I am very glad to hear this news. So I know there are 4 companies
>which is developing and sell their own Cobalt clone software in Japan.
>But the other country's situation is not the same.
>
>Blue Quartz is open and free, now and future. It's okay, and enough
>for engineers and skillfull Linux users.
>But we know the business activity is very important for *real*
>end-users who need appliance solution.
>(Because Blue Quartz community cannot make any help desk by phone!)
>
>Yesterday, I heard about BlueQuartz hosting service is available
>in France. I believe BlueQuartz project is going on the right way.
>
>Cobalt never die. :-)
>
>Regards,
>Yasu.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Since this keeps popping up every now and then, please allow me to 
>'abuse'
> > the list to handle it in detail this time.
> >
> >
> > Ruby 550, initial
> > -----------------
> > This is nothing more then a write-up of how to install the very first 
>version
> > of the BlueQuartz on RH9.
> > The reason for calling it Ruby is the mix between RedHat and the 
>Cobalts.
> > Since dePoPo.net was almost 100% cobalt related at that time, a clear 
>marking
> > was needed for the vistors that these documenst did NOT concern the blue
> > boxes, to avoid them accidentaly installing on the 'real' machines.
> >
> > The function of these 'Ruby 550' documents was merely to standarize 
>between a
> > number of developers so we would know the exact steps and fixes the 
>other
> > would have used. Since there is not a single character of code involved, 
>just
> > text documents, there is no need to even think of anythging in terms of
> > licenses.
> > An old document concerning the 550 can for instance still be found here:
> > http://www.depopo.net/content/ruby/fix550-mailscanner.htm .
> >
> > Later on, the 550 document has been moved here:
> > http://www.ruby-project.net/html/550_spec.html As you can see it is 
>nothing
> > more then a type this type that page.
> >
> >
> > Ruby 551 (with or without rglue)
> > --------------------------------
> > The BlueQuartz project soon released the march version of the software, 
>which
> > was quite an upgraded version. A lot of people turned to me for help, 
>and it
> > was quickly clear that a standariced install and patch tool would be 
>very
> > usefull. As some of you will know, the stock RH9 contained root exploits 
>on
> > things like SSH and apache, and popping these boxes onto the net 
>unpatched
> > was not exactly a good idea.
> >
> > At that time, I basicaly had the idea to work through 551 numbers while
> > adding stuff to the patcher/installer (rglue) and a copy of the 
>bluequartz
> > source tree at the same time, and THEN introduce a version 552 which
> > incorprated a patched up BlueQuartz, and a seperate installer. Some 
>people
> > more wise then me talked to me about 'forking' the bluequartz stuff, and 
>that
> > idea AND the modified bluequartz code was abandonned. (it has never been
> > online for download).
> >
> > So, the new situation was that i had a partly finished install tool 
>(rglue),
> > and was stuck with a number of things i wanted fixed in the bluequartz 
>tree
> > (.htaccess, snmp, cgi and so on). At the same time, making further 
>changes in
> > the system would mean i would have to modify the howto, therefore 
>breaking
> > the '551 spec'
> >
> > so, on to
> >
> > Ruby 552 (with rglue)
> > ---------------------
> > So here we are at 552. The base system is 100% Bluequartz on RH9, and 
>the
> > users have a few options;
> > - user the rglue tool to quickly install and patch things
> > - follow the documents and do it yourself if you dont like that kind of
> > automation (http://dev.ruby-project.net:8010/ruby-patchlist.nsf/)
> > - Or, dont use the tool at all and upgrade the packages you want (
> > www.depopo.net/power9 ) for those who know what and how they want it.
> >
> > So much for the versions, on to free as in no costs, or freedom
> >
> > Licensing
> > ---------
> >
> > 550. had no software, BlueQuartz is open source. end of story
> >
> > 551. saw the first version of rglue as an installer. At that time, there 
>had
> > no decission been made if it would be open source or just free software. 
>That
> > versions where free software as in 'no cost'.  At the same time, a 
>server
> > appliance was introduced which people can buy. On that machine, either a
> > SuSE/webmin, RedHat/Ruby can be installed. Both packages are free. The 
>price
> > is purely the server appliance, wheter you have something put on it or 
>not. (
> > http://www.salvagebv.nl/Argon_2005_v0.pdf ). My exact words about the
> > appliance where:
> > [quote]
> > Ruby is and will be downloadable. The appliance is just one way to run 
>it.
> > The appliance will be offered with win2k3, ruby and suse/webmin, so it 
>is not
> > specificaly targeted for ruby, it just plays well with it, and can be 
>handy
> > for people who don't want to do installs themselves. Revenue of the 
>appliance
> > will also justify more time and money spend on Ruby.
> > [/quote]
> > in short, 551 was 'free software' as in no cost.
> >
> >
> > 552. In the same forums where i once said rglue was 'just' free 
>software, it
> > was also announced that it was being open sourced. (for instance, see
> > http://www.depopo.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35 )
> >
> > As for open source, these are the exact words in the FAQ:
> > http://www.ruby-project.net/html/faq.html
> > [quote]
> > Q: Is rglue open source / are you trying to lock me in
> > A: yes, it is open source. see the developer website
> > (http://dev.ruby-project.net)
> > [/quote]
> >
> > Lastly, another valid concern made by some and a bit related to this 
>posts is
> > the download server. Those who dont want to use it can simply copy the
> > structure and point there hosts file to a controlled personal server for 
>the
> > time being. 0.30 will have a configuration option with which you can 
>setup
> > your own download server.
> >
> > The version numbering has been far from perfect from my side. I have 
>even
> > named the 553 numbers at a certain time altough i never got round to 
>using
> > them. The Ruby thing has grown way beyond what i expected. The idea was 
>to
> > have it for out own customer base and perhaps a few interested others to 
>make
> > installs quick and easy. We now see a base of over 800 unique ip numbers
> > using the tool, even in heavy production sites. To minimize the 'damage' 
>from
> > the unclear version numbers we now only refer to it as version 55x for
> > BlueQuartz on RedHat9.
> > There will be no FC1 version. There will be an also open sourced 56x FC3
> > version once the BlueQuartz team upgrades to it.
> >
> > If you are still reading here, i hope i didnt' bore you to much :)
> >
> > Bob (aka dePoPo).
> >
> >
>