It seems that consensus is made.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abdul-Rashid Abdullah [mailto:webmaster (at mark) muntada.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:04 PM
> To: coba-e (at mark) bluequartz. org
> Subject: [coba-e:10993] Re: AW: Re: Progress Development Bluequartz
> Like many, I have been using Cobalt since the RaQ4 days. I
> know some who have been using it before then. I remember the
> days when a quick call to someone in the Bay Area quickly
> resolved an issue. Then we had to begin to pay for that
> support. Then that support went entirely away. Then all of
> a sudden, BQ sprung up and the ones leading the charge and
> gave life to it were people like Brian and Michael. I have
> personally done business with these folk on occasion.
> I have even done business with Paul who was very helpful in
> solving an issue in which I needed to port an old version of
> Real Server over due to kernel and library compatibility issues.
> I would like to say that too believe they are more
> contributors than gainers. If it was so commercial, then why
> was Brian so willing not so long ago to walk away from it
> all? Why did he come back? I believe his motivations on
> that part were more for the love of the project than
> anything. That is my estimate and my vote for the support of
> those that might have a commercial interest.
> Perhaps look at it from this point of view, if they have a
> commercial interest, then they definitely have an interest in
> ensuring that the open source base product is successful
> which means it is open.
> There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. From
> adding a more functional mailing list application to adding a
> better way of allowing users more control over their own site
> such as creating MySQL databases. I have looked many times
> about going else where but the sheer cost keeps me coming
> back. The system is reliable and simple (except for the PAM)
> but there are things that need to be done.
> I am not a developer, but I am sure a user that can give
> feedback. Even then, if there is a mundane job that can be
> done, I have enough "developer"
> knowledge that I can assist given enough direction.
> Please, let's get the team formed and move on.
> -Rashid Abdullah
> On 10/28/07 12:16 AM, "Jon McCauley" <jmccauley (at mark) ontarioweb.ca> wrote:
> > Paul Aviles wrote:
> >> Michael, I am not saying you are bad, heck no.
> >> I am only stating something that has happened in the past.
> It is just
> >> history and common sense. Take any of the projects that
> have started
> >> as Open Source and spin out to commercial and you have
> seen a great
> >> deal of the community leaving. Take Sugar, Compiere and
> Open Bravo
> >> as two perfect examples. Once they announced that they were
> >> separating the projects into free and paid they lost their
> >> Compiere forked into OB and Adempiere now and Sugar has
> forked so many times it can be considered now a spoon.
> >> The big difference at least there is that they are managed
> under one
> >> company umbrella. With BQ that never happened, so we now have
> >> different people doing different things. Once again, I am
> not putting the finger nor blaming anyone.
> >> Now, I am not the voice for BQ at all. However as a
> community having
> >> someone with vested personal interest does complicate
> things for the
> >> "community", thatıs all.
> >> Besides the obvious differences, are you and others going
> to include
> >> the roadmap for your own products into BQ? If not, then there is
> >> nothing wrong with that, but then lets called it a fork
> lets all be
> >> happy. Then we can I guess agree to some common grounds
> and move forward.
> >> Don't make more of my comments because there is nothing
> else behind.
> >> Paul
> > Paul,
> > I have been dealing with BQ since it migrated from the Raq550. Many
> > contributories on this list have had their own agenda as
> how to handle
> > this as an open source project, but as a group this has
> always stayed
> > strong to-gater! I feel that people like Michael or Brian should be
> > looked at as, ... contributers.... then "gainers".... from this
> > project....lets take a second to look at what they have
> contributed to
> > this project with out gain.....my 2 canadian cents
> > ---\
> > Best Regards,
> > Jon McCauley